More 9/11 “truth” news

Every time I think the 9/11 troofer business has died out, within a few months another crazy news story comes out which breathes new, paranoid life into it. This time we have two.

First of all, one of the “Loose Change” filmmakers has been arrested for selling heroin. Obviously this has set off some speculation that the arrest itself was yet another “inside job.” That makes sense though: The Bush Administration came to power and had 9/11 set up within 8 months, but it takes the Oneonta Police Department about six years to plant drugs on someone. And with crowds like this about to overthrow the US government, we need even more reasons to distrust 9/11 troofers now more than ever.

The full NYC Chapter of 9/11"Truth" meets with its Boston Chapter.

The other, much more awesomer thing to happen was when this lady tried to sue P Diddy for causing 9/11. It turns out that Valerie Turks lost income from the collapse of the World Trade Center. She is demanding $100 billion, which is probably about right. She also wants $900 billion in child support from him because – well at least this is what she claims – she dated Combs when he was a teenager and had one of his children, who is now 23.  She also wants a restraining order against him because she claims he’s been abusing her:

Valerie then goes on to say in her statement that is riddled with spelling and punctuation errors: “He date raped me 24 years ago and knocked me down him and Kim Porter and Wallace Wright, then Sean Combs and Kim and Wallace Wright came back 18 years later and raped and sexually abused my children and knocked my children down and crushed me and my children daily.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that maybe it wasn’t P Diddy crushing her daily, that maybe what was crushing her daily was her vague awareness of her own situation as a deranged person.

But don’t worry, P Diddy! You won’t have to pay this Turks’ $100 billion loss of income demand on your own. Because, as he surely knows, Combs plotted 9/11 with Rodney King. At least that’s what Turks is claiming.

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29 Responses to “More 9/11 “truth” news”

  1. celebs4truth Says:

    What a horrible, twisted, mainstream-media brainwashed article…full of fear and hate toward the true heroes and patriots of the USA! You should be ashamed of yourself!

    • Albury Says:

      What do you find heroic about slandering and libeling innocent people with junk science and nonsense, celebs?

    • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

      Well obviously a WordPress blog called Nanobots Will Enslave Us All is the very definition of the mainstream media (Seriously, the mainstream media doesn’t give a fuck about you people anymore. You should be thanking me for even paying attention). But are there any errors in the facts? Or do you just ignore the facts, like all other 9/11 troofers?

  2. Jerrod Soldier Says:

    I wonder if cognitive dissonance prevents you from seeing the truth as is the case for many? Many people who don’t believe in 911 truth don’t actually know much about all the evidence against the official government version, because of the blackout in the mainstream media, so it’s quite understandable, but I assume that you have actually seen a lot of 911 truth information, because of your apparently keen interest in debunking it, yet you reject it. Do you think, for example that you know more than the 100s of military and intelligence personnel who laugh at the official story, (see the website link) or the 1400 or so architects and engineers? And I’m curious how you explain the complete failure of the world’s greatest military to intercept even one single jet long after the whole world knew the US was under attack. Or why the 911 Commission said that the military lied to them about what happened and then (the military) changed their story a couple of times. Or the pilot who couldn’t fly a 2 seater plane but piloted a jet precisely into the Pentagon in a spiral dive that was nearly impossible to execute. Or how would you explain the incredible coincidence that 5 or so military exercises were scheduled for the very day of 911, simulating hijacked planes, and confusing air traffic controllers, or the insider trading of “put options”, or the 2 trillion dollars Rumsfeld announced missing on September 10th followed by the destruction of the accounting department (and personnel) at the Pentagon on the 11th, never to be mentioned again, or the fact that most of the hijackers received their US visas from a Consulate in Jeddah Saudi Arabia where the CIA issued visas to unqualified Arab men as reported by J Michael Springmann. And that only scratches the surface. So I must say I find it curious, unless of course it’s a psychological issue for you. Are you one of these guys who chants U – S – A, U – S – A for no apparent reason? You do know that the US military faked an attack to escalate the Vietnam war ultimately killing 50 thousand US soldiers, and the CIA killed Iranian civilians and overthrew their democratically elected government in 1953 (all for oil) which was recently admitted by Roosevelt’s grandson, and that the Joint Chiefs of Staff (all ten of them) presented a plan to President Kennedy that involved among other things, killing innocent people on american streets and blaming it on Castro so they could attack Cuba (Operation Northwoods). Do you really think we are as virtuous as the myth we’ve long believed?

    • Albury Says:

      I think it’s time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they’ve already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7’s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 “truth movement” claim that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
      How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:

      http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

      yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were “pyroclastic,” but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

      How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
      Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn’t leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevators shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he’s not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower’s main collapse was over.
      We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his “engineers.”

      http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12

    • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

      “Do you think, for example that you know more than the 100s of military and intelligence personnel who laugh at the official story, blah blah blah”

      I find it very funny that someone who believes in a troofer version of events would use an argument from authority here. I can just as easily ask you if you think you know more than the thousands or tens of thousands of military and intelligence persons who laugh at your conspiracy beliefs.

      The rest of your response looks like just another Gish Gallop, but 9/11 troofer style. Instead of presenting any evidence, you just recite a litany of half-truths, misrepresentations, red herrings, and false implications. So I’m not going to go through every single sentence and explain why each one is wrong. If you seriously want to discuss this, just tell me what you believe are the best 2 or 3 pieces of evidence in favor of what you think happened inre: 9/11 and not just a bunch of emotional rhetoric.

      • Albury Says:

        Troofers also know more about structural engineering than dozens of NIST investigators with doctorates and PEs, nanobots. The 9/11 “truth movement” offers a shortcut to higher education.

  3. Jerrod Soldier Says:

    “So I’m not going to go through every single sentence and explain why each one is wrong.”

    I didn’t think you would. 911 truth opponents never do. You refuse to respond to the evidence, just like the mainstream media, so I guess I was right about the cognitive dissonance. As far as my presenting an argument from authority, I apologize. Because I am not an authority on high rise demolition, or military and intelligence operations, I can only look to the experts for guidance. Architects and engineers and military and intelligence professionals are those experts. The ones in the 911 truth camp do not have any conflicts of interest unlike those who remain silent or who support the official conspiracy theory of the government, as their jobs and contracts often depend on towing the official line. Certainly currently serving military are not too likely to blow the whistle. Concerning the NIST investigation, NIST’s lead engineer John Gross lied about having no knowledge of molten metal which was clearly reported by firefighters, police and many others. NIST knows that molten metal proves that their explanation is false so they can’t admit to it. The Youtube video is v=7KzAp962t2Q

    Your use of the word troofer, says it all. You criticize me for referring to experts (authority), but you blithely use the pejorative troofer, which is a thinly veiled ad hominem attack. Your response was completely devoid of relevant content. I gave you a multitude of problems with the official theory, yet you refused to address even a single one of them.

  4. nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

    Again, if you want to discuss this seriuosly, just show me the 2 or 3 best pieces of evidence in support of what you believe happened, not just a tirade of emotional rhetoric. I’m not going to bother debunking each of your claims only to have you shift the focus to 50 more bogus claims. So just tell me the 2 or 3 pieces of evidence which you think best support your beliefs. Thanks.

  5. Jerrod Soldier Says:

    First of all I haven’t been the least bit emotional, nor have I employed rhetoric. There are around 100 very suspicious events to choose from but here are three:
    1) Why did the lead NIST engineer lie about molten metal?
    2) Why did the military lie to the 911 Commission several times?
    3) Why did the White House resist giving any information to the Commission, and even stonewalled setting up the Commission in the first place?
    These three questions indicate they were hiding something. That’s why a new independent investigation is needed (i.e. not run by a White House insider like the last one).

  6. Albury Says:

    Dr. Gross was asked about molten STEEL, not molten metal, Jerrod S, and didn’t lie about it at all. Please feel free to name some known controlled demolitions that have left any type of molten metal in the debris for months, and list some explosives or incendiaries that produce heat for that long. Your argument’s absurd.

  7. nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

    I really hate repeating myself. Do you have any evidence or don’t you? I didn’t ask for “suspicious events to choose from” or for you to ask me questions. I asked for you to provide some positive EVIDENCE for what you believe happened. Can you do that or can you not do that?

  8. Jerrod Soldier Says:

    Albury you know that is not a valid distinction, whether it was steel or iron or something else, it shouldn’t have been there and he knew it, but the significant issue is that he lied about not being aware of anyone claiming such when there are many eye witness reports of it. Why is he trying to hide knowledge of these witness statements? As I said before I’m not an expert in demolition, but I do know what shouldn’t be there.

    Nanobot if you don’t think that there’s anything wrong with the military leaders lying to a Commission multiple times about the biggest crime in recent US history, and it doesn’t raise any suspicions in your mind that there is a cover up of what really happened, then your ability to reason is seriously compromised or you’re being disingenuous. What is needed is a new investigation to get the answers you expect me to have. It’s not my job to solve this crime. It is the job of federal investigators. I can point out 100 suspicious events, even one of which in any ordinary crime would justify an independent investigation let alone so many more all pointing in the direction of US complicity. The media has done everything it can to suppress the dissemination of these events, so the American public remains unaware, but the perpetrators of this crime didn’t count on the Internet doing an end-run around the controlled media. Around 90 % of people in Germany now know the US had a hand in this crime as do many many people around the world. I don’t believe it will be long before the American people wake up as well.

    • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

      OK so this would be the third time I’ve asked. Should I even bother? I mean, do you have any positive evidence for what you believe happened? Yes or no. Thanks.

    • Albury Says:

      Dr. Gross lied about absolutely nothing, Jerrod. He was asked about molten steel, not molten metal, and the difference is at least 1000 degrees F. The reports of molten steel were almost definitely aluminum or lead, both of which were very plentiful in the debris piles, and there were no debris fire temperatures recorded by the USGS or anyone else that were anywhere near hot enough to melt steel.
      Once again, please feel free to name some known controlled demolitions that have left any type of molten metal in the debris for months, and list some explosives or incendiaries that produce heat for that long. Your argument’s especially ridiculous considering the fact that there were no partially melted columns or other structural steel members found in the debris at GZ. Where did all of this alleged molten steel come from? The aluminum came from the buildings and the planes, and the lead was in abundance in every UPS backup system, of which there were PLENTY in buildings housing financial services institutions.

  9. vidtruth Says:

    You gotta be kidding me, Nanobots? Hundreds of witnesses, including firefighters and police at the scene before the “collapses” all saying there were multiple “bombs” placed around the buildings… Strange, never before experienced “power-downs” over huge sections of the buildings, for what security said were for “upgrading” also just weeks in advance…LOL …the usual rounds of explosive residue sniffing dogs were strangely called off just weeks before the event…George Bush’s younger brother, Marvin Bush was very high level at a security agency, Securacom, which just so happened to be the security agency for the WTC complex, Dulles International Airport, and American Airlines…well, whata ya know! LOL (I’m not making this stuff up!) you’ll notice that even large commercial Pilots will tell you they couldn’t have even pulled off those maneuvers (with “military precision”), especially the pentagon “plane” which literally did things, according to popular (establishment) theory, that were physically impossible! …commercial pilots will tell you the planes are not designed for those speeds, at those altitudes, especially that low to the ground! I’ve heard them say it myself! These facts (that you keep desperately asking for) are a very, very, very small portion of a HUGE list of strange anomalies, coincidences, and outright impossibilities that also includes things like, 6 OUT OF THE 10 COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES (typed in all caps in futile hopes that something will actually click if you absorb what I just typed) …regardless of how badly you wished it weren’t true! One of the commissioners, Max Cleland, even quit in the middle of the “investigation” basically saying it was a hoax! They weren’t allowed access to ANY of the evidence…they were underfunded…understaffed…didn’t have enough time…and some of them actually admitted that EVERY SINGLE 9/11 COMMISSIONER had incredible conflicts of interests…It’s painfully obvious! You just don’t want to have to admit the horrible truth!

    BTW… It really is a disgrace to the victims and their families that you routinely take the establishment’s side…the corrupt governments side…even in the face of obviousness…for your own selfish fear based purposes! The victims and their families deserve better than people like you cowardly cowering down to the establishment’s demands that you don’t question the status-quo and you be a good little civilian and do what your told! They deserve better…they deserve a REAL investigation, JUST LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES HAVE COME FORWARD TO SAY! Coward!

    • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

      I guess I’ll have to repeat myself to “vidtruth”/”celebs4truth.” I’m not going to go through another emotionally-driven rant and show how each and every sentence is bullshit. Just answer this: What are the two or three best pieces of evidence in favor of what you believe happened in regards to 9/11?

    • Albury Says:

      The 9/11 Commissioners who were critical of the final report aren’t in your “truth movement,” Vidtruth, and don’t dispute who did it, what the motivation was, why the towers and WTC 7 fell, what hit the Pentagon, what crashed at Shanksville, or any of the other issues that conspiracy kooks have raised, mostly out of ignorance and paranoia. Some simply felt that the full extent of government negligence should have been publicly exposed and wasn’t, partly because of political concerns by the administration, and partly because of legitimate security and intelligence issues.
      Read The Looming Tower, by Lawrence Wright, if you’d like more information on the intelligence problems between the NSA, FBI, and CIA prior to 9/11, as well as a better understanding of Islamic terrorism, and al Qaeda in particular. You’re serving no useful purpose promoting nonsense, libeling innocent people, and exculpating the real perpetrators of 9/11 and other atrocities.

      • vidtruth Says:

        You’re completely missing the point, Albury, it matters not whether the commissioners themselves actually and personally decide to affiliate themselves with the truth movement…what matters is that 6 of the 10 have since come forward to admit that the people deserve a real and legit investigation…LOL…what’s so hard for you to understand…could it be that ignorance and paranoia thing you keep referring to? hmmmm, lol

      • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

        So what they say matters only to the extent that they agree with you. That’s not confirmation bias at all.

        I’m still waiting for the best pieces of evidence which support what you believe happened on 9/11. Go ahead with that any time, “celebs4truth” / “vidtruth.” By the way, making sock puppet accounts to agree with yourself doesn’t do your cause any good.

  10. jonnyrotten Says:

    “troofers” thats a convenient little label that ridicules a point of view and is one for the newspeak dictionary
    – most of the troothers toothers or whatveer you wish to slander people with are simply seeking the truth
    – because the official reports are total bullshit and resonate very loudly as such
    – much like the jfk magic bullet-
    thats a conspiracy “theory” too isnt it?
    one that was categorically proven in time but never addressed-
    i just want to see the plane hit the pentagon
    – simple
    – no more no less
    – tell me how the most protected building in the known universe was hit by a fucking airliner- A FUCKING AIRLINER FFS! and noone got a photo…
    until they show what they are hiding – which is evidently hidden so thats why the actually very small holes the shills or “idiots” pick in the truth argument dont sink the whole movement.
    dont seek truth people that mkes you a tinfoil truther.
    personally i dont give aa fuck about 911
    iran contra, the gulf war, vietnam, south american genocide, president mubarak, nazi-jews and the wholesale murder of entire nations concerns me slightly more than some tv stunt to get you fucking disney munching- cocacola swigging cunts to lob some more bombs t some brown people so you can taake the whole world with you into your sociopolitico plaanet raping cuntfaced mcdonalds sponsored future.
    do the world a favour- abort your children!- jump off high things in your nike sweatpants with your ipd shoved up your arse!
    newspeak 1.01 take the concept of seeking the selfevident truth and ridicule it until in your eyes truth means lies.
    dumbass yankee apocalypse baiting fuckwits.
    now fuck off
    vitriol over, the ghost of bill hicks hs left the building.

    • nanobotswillenslaveusall Says:

      “jonnyrotten” I’ll have to refer you to my earlier comments about emotional rants like this. The tl;dr version is that if you seriously want to discuss this, then give the 2 or 3 best pieces of evidence which support what you believe happened on 9/11. Otherwise you can take your little temper tantrums to some troofer forums to share with other idiots. Thanks.

  11. jonnyrotten Says:

    “what matters is that 6 of the 10 have since come forward to admit that the people deserve a real and legit investigation…LOL…”
    that would matter in a democracy but hey when was the last time anyone saw one of those…
    come on and vote people! now we have a choice of blue facism or red fascism?
    which do you prefer?
    the blue gives us regal authoritarian air but i recommend the red – its so fetching and hides the bloodstains oh so very well!

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